Showing posts with label Dr. Jenn Berman. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Dr. Jenn Berman. Show all posts

Thursday, April 10, 2014

John Bluher And Taylor Armstrong: Trouble In Their Marriage Already Over A Place To Stsy


Married almost two weeks and already there is trouble in their marriage. Media outlet, Radar Online has learned that the newlyweds are already at odds over where they should live! "That's kind of stupid - arguing over a place to live."
“Taylor was overheard telling multiple wedding guests that her agent wanted her to move back to Los Angeles, from Colorado,” an insider tells media outlet, Radar Online. “The purpose being, of course, to kick start Taylor’s reality television career. Having recently filmed Couples Therapy with Dr. Jenn Berman, Taylor sees herself getting back on the small screen full time.

“Of course, John doesn’t want to move from Colorado to California,” the source continues. “He has kids from his previous marriage that he spends time with. If he moves, that would of course impact his relationship with the children.”

This is just the latest John and Taylor's to the couple’s relatively fresh union. During the wedding reception Taylor Armstrong made a rambling speech that made many of her guests uncomfortable. Taylor wore a Chagoury Couture by Gilbert Chagoury gown at the cliff side wedding at the Bel Air Bay Club, overlooking the Pacific Ocean, but it was her words and not her looks that had guests raising their eyebrows as she “reflected on her ex-husband Russell Armstrong and the domestic violence she suffered by his hands,” a source told media outlet, Radar Online.
The source said her speech, captured by WETV cameras for David Tutera‘s My Fair Wedding reality show, grew even stranger when she promoted a weight loss company.

“It was like she was an ad for the company,” the source said. “She basically said ‘After my husband committed suicide I knew I needed to get back in shape,’ and it was really strange.”
Other wedding guests that had known Taylor’s first husband, Russell, remarked at “how similar he is to John in personality. Russell was extremely intelligent and well spoken, just like John. No one is saying that John is physically or verbally abusive towards Taylor, but otherwise, there are very similar comparisons between both.” I can't understand what Taylor is complaining about. Like she said to Farrah on Couples Therapy, she has more money than Farrah Abraham I think on the third or fourth episode. She can fly to California to do reality show and stay where her husband has children from previous marriage and get over the drama.



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Tuesday, March 4, 2014

Jon Gosselin: Claims Of A Conspiracy - His Rants On Couples Therapy Was A Set Up

I don't believe for second that Jon's rant on 'Couples Therapy' was staged. I see what's going on here! I don't think that Kate Gosselin wants to accept any of the blame for the text phone message she sent to Jon while he was filming on Couples Therapy that has gotten him in a "F-Bomb" rage after his heated phone message with her. There are claims from a source close to Kate to the media outlet, Radar Online said that Jon's rage on Couples Therapy was a set-up just to stir up drama on the show. "I don't believe that for one second!" Why would Jon get into a rage over nothing? Kate's text phone message to Jon aggravated him, because she would not let Jon speak with his children while they were texting (according to Jon not being able to see his children for two weeks) that was after his heated text phone message with Kate. That was the sole reason for Jon going off on Kate as "harshly" as he did. Also according to the source, there were claims that Kate purposely avoided having any conversations with Jon while he appeared on the VH1 reality TV show.

“Kate never talked to Jon on the phone during his Couples Therapy tryst."

Either way, the source close to Kate claims the entire scene with Jon exploding and going off on Kate was just something he orchestrated to make himself relevant on the show and make sure he got screen time.”  That being said by the source close to Kate, "I think who ever this source is (maybe Kate herself) is the one stirring up the drama in order to keep this fiasco between the two (Jon and Kate) in relevancy, because everyone knows that Kate wants a reality show too - lets not forget that."  I know this dramatic mess was in retaliation against Jon to make things that much worse for him, just because he was called to be on Couples Therapy with his girlfriend of two years, Liz Janetta, in order to receive therapy for their relationship. Jon was recently in an expletive-filled rant, with Kate.

“It’s narcissistic, bull sh*t behavior. And she can go out and talk about the kids anytime she wants! She can tweet and have a f**kin’ website dedicated to them, every f**kin’ book she’s ever put out because she wants to keep being on television which is never gonna f**kin’ happen, so she can f**kin’ die, There’s your honest depiction of Kate Gosselin. Piece of f**king sh*t. What a sh*tty human being.”

Jon and Kate continue to publicly bicker over their children and finances. Their bickering is not getting Jon or Kate anywhere! The children are the ones suffering and they have no reason to be suffering. Jon and Kate's bickering is wasting every ones time. They need to concentrate on their eight children and stop all of this nonsense in the media, you ask me. There are claims that Jon was using the Couples Therapy's platform to trash Kate, "I don't think so!" It was Jon's duty to talk about his problems with his ex wife, Kate, when he was asked about it in his therapy session with Dr. Jenn. That was her job to ask questions about Jon's past relationship with Kate so she can help Jon and Liz with their relationship.



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Monday, February 24, 2014

Finally Jon Gosselin Realizes He Need To Grow A Pair, Braking His Relationship Cycle



I'm so happy for Jon Gosselin, because he finally broke his relationship cycle (he's been repeating) with Liz Janetta.   He decided he must stand up for himself (and be a man for a change) if he wants respect from his girlfriend, Liz, who constantly puts him down every chance she get.   It seems like Jon was getting involved with another "Kate" type of woman "who calls the shots - makes Jon feel lower than a grain of dirt to gain control over him." Thank GOD - Dr. Jenn convinced Jon that he needs to be more assertive with Liz and tell her when things hurt his feelings.  Dr. Jenn also tells Jon:

"You need to tell her to stop. Don't do that.'"

In a whole lot of ways, I don't blame Liz for the way she treats Jon. He let Liz dump a ton of manure on him.  When someone (like Jon) acts like they don't deserve respect, it is very easy to treat them badly without even recognizing it. Jon didn't recognize it until he and Liz was constantly called out by Dr. Jenn and the other couples in the (Couples Therapy) house.  "My thoughts exactly!". Jon really needs to grow a pair, if he wants 'Therapy' to work for him. I'm glad that Liz recognizes the way that she talks to Jon and wants to change it. I can  see the relationship with Liz lasting if Jon can be more assertive to Liz without being nasty about it.  Jon and Liz need to take the therapy seriously or their relationship will fall back into the "Kate Gosslin" cycle and their relationship will eventually crumble.  Dr. Jenn also told Jon that he needs to be more assertive for Liz's mental health as well. She needs a man to take charge; put her in her place. "I totally agree!  Without the assertion Liz will always be mean just like Kate and still is; she will always treat Jon like a scumbag.

My opinion - I hope Jon take hneed, because I hate to see him back in the same situation he was in for ten long years, he deserves some happiness for a change - like him or not.


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Sunday, February 23, 2014

For Couples Therapy Fans - Season 4 (Videos)


Dr. Jenn Berman - Couples Therapy








 


Couples Therapy Season 4 Episode 1 - "Therapy Begins"






Couples Therapy Season 4 Episode 2 - "Love Hurts"





Couples Therapy Season 4 Episode 3 - "New Couple"







Couples Therapy Season 4 Episode 4 - "Fess Up"







Couples Therapy Season 4 Episode 5 - "Player For Life"







Couples Therapy Season 4 Episode 6 - "Get Real"







Couples Therapy Season 4 Episode 7 - "Crumbs of Love"







Couples Therapy Season 4 Episode 8 - "Repeating The Same Patterns"









Couples Therapy Season 4 Episode 9 "Fired Up"





Couples Therapy Season 4 Episode 10:  "Final Goodbye"


  NOTICE:  Enjoy episodes 1 - 10.  




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Friday, February 21, 2014

Kelsey Nykole: She Forgives Ghostface

I was so surprised to see that Kelsey and Ghostface were in the same room together after all the termoil they've been through together.  I  thought that might make things tense between them, if she (Kelsey) remained in the room with Ghost.  I was too - surprised to hear how forgiving she’s trying to be to Ghost and how invested she still is in his therapy.  "I'm very proud of Kelsey for being a very beautiful person with her heart, even though Ghost broke it with his shinanigans?" I saw that Kelsey also struggled with forgiving Ghost.  Kelsey struggled with it in a really beautiful, honest, authentic way. In my heart, I know loves Ghost, even though.  And I know Ghost love her in his own way (kind of sexual, because of his love for women and sex as he stated in his private session with Kelsey and Dr. Jenn) and I do agree that they do have a bond and a friendship.  Kelsey's was to work through herpain and resentment and not carry a grudge so that she could leave not being as resentful with Ghost. I extremely agree with the moment in childhood trauma group when Ghost spilled his guts about his troubled childhood - loosing his mom, I believe last year and his dad leaving home when he was 6 years old, I thought thatvwas a freshing breakthrough, even for Ghost.  It was amazing and the look on Kelsey’s face was so wonderful.  She seemed very proud of him.  I also saw what Dr. Jenn saw that Kelsey realized “Oh my God, this was never about me, this was about what he didn’t get and it doesn’t matter how wonderful I am, this is a deficit in him." My opinion of Ghost is that, "He thought he since he lost one woman he was going to walk away with the other 'he wanted to have his cake and eat it too' and he did walk away with either woman and it blew up in his face and yes, he's defeated." I thought it was a great moment too, that he realize that you can't be "A Player" and not reap the consequences of getting burned at the end.  "What you do in darkness, will ddefinitely come to the light, if you think you can hide your indiscretion in infinity - it's not going to happen, because, your dirt always catches up with you no matter how long it takes."  Ghost had to learn that!



  






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Whitney And Sada: Communication Problems...Totally!

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The way I see it, Sada is the problem when it comes down to communication. Whitney is trying so hard to reach out to Sada and she pulls away from her every chance she gets and it aggravates me that Sada does that.  Communication is one of the main sources of a good relationship.  Sada's set backs results from abuse from her father.  I can imagine how  painful it was for Sada to talk about the abuse she took from her father. I’m also a big believer that when someone hurts you, especially as a child, and you hold that secret for them you take on the shame and it hurts you. It makes you a prisoner of the abuse. But when you’re able to talk about it and recognize that it wasn’t your fault, you’re able to let go of that burden.  That was part of Sada's healing, so that she doesn't bring the burden into her relationship with Whitney.

I can tell Sada was very worried, and she felt very responsible for her dad and his feelings which was a very unhealthy in their relationship. Part of her talking about it, to Dr. Jenn was very therapeutically and it did changed the dynamic. Her not carrying that burden and letting go of that changed it.  But, what made me mad with Sada, was her not connecting to Whitney.  She was really trying to connect and support Sada, but Sada wasn’t seeing it.

Sometimes I want to shake Sada and tell her, "What in the devil is wrong with you?" Do you know that you're the problem of why you and Whitney are not connecting, because of the lack of communication?" But I was too - excited for Sada to see from the outside now that she’s had a little time because it was very reflective of their (Whitney and Sada) dynamic when Sada says, “No, you don’t have to go with me,” and then gets mad at Whitney when she doesn’t go with her. I see that Sada sets Whitney up to disappoint her by not being honest and direct. "To me - that's bull-crap.". I can also see that its painful for Whitney, because, she is so tuned in to Sada and she wants to help her and be there for her.  I see that Whitney gives her "all and all" to be there for Sada, and Sada is again and again pushing Whitney away. My opinion is that Sada may be bipolar in the way she acts.  I like her and Whitney, I've grown onto them, but, Sada needs to grow and open her mouth to Whitney and communicate with her about her feelings and let go of her past.


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Farrah Abraham: What is Going On With Farrah's Mom, Debra?

I'm starting to understand Farrah acts in certain ways that explains her behavior as well.   Farrah’s mom, Debra, whose demeanor was totally ice cold and unflinching, especially when it came to the way she treated her daughter on an episode of "Teen Mom" of the way she just slapped Farrah in their car.  Dr. Jenn, during her session with Farrah - her mom, Debra, had a hard time revealing her emotions.  It was like, she was completely out of touch with the way she shows her emotions towards Farrah.  She was in complete denial.  The way Debra was acting, now I understand Farrah and why she acts the way she does.  Debra, was completely out of touch with her feelings and reality.  She is a very negative person.  What I saw on the show, Couples Therapy, is that Debra was asking (I also noticed like Dr. Jenn) how she was constantly asking what Farrah wanted her to do while her and Farrah was arguing at one another. I guess these were Debra's thoughts on what to do with her own daughter.  If I'm not mistaken, I think I heard her say to Farrah, “Does Farrah want me to hug her?” “What does Farrah want me to say?” And Dr. Jenn said her thoughts were "Why not just give Farrah a hug and see what happens." It was aggregating to me that Debra could not express what she really feel for her daughter, Farrah.  She wanted to put her down every chance she got.  All I heard from Debra say to Dr. Jenn is, “What do I need to do?” Dr. Jenn then told Debra, "Try to understand her daughters feelings.” I saw that Debra couldn’t do that. I also believed that it was very hard for her to step outside of herself and her own perspective to understand what life is like through her daughter, Farrah eyes as well.  "No wonder Farrah is a total mess!"  I thank her mom, Debra for Farrah's actions since parental training starts at home.  After watching episode 8 of Couples Therapy, I also saw a breakthrough for Farrah, and it was very enlightening for me to see her get out her frustrations.  Her mom, Debra couldn't do it!  Dr. Jenn, I think told Farrah that she had to accept her moms limitations and abandon any hope of having a good relationship she wanted to have with her mom, if I'm not mistaken.  I'm also starting think that Farrah has some fault of the way her life turned out when she and her mom got into altercations back and forth in 2013 and when she left her daughter behind...just saying!


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Jon Gosselin: He's Repeating The Same Relationship Pattern From His 10 Year Marriage With His Ex Kate Gosselin

Jon Gosselin goes in (without Liz) for a one-on-one session with Dr. Jenn, and she has a few concerns (just like I do) about his relationship with Liz Janetta. Dr. Jenn (as well as I) in fact, fear that Jon is repeating the same relationship pattern he had with his ex-wife, Kate.  And it puzzles me that he (Jon) can't seem to stand up on his own - stop Liz from overpowering him and be a man.  I'm a person not hating on Jon or anyone in the matter of him (Jon) standing up to Liz.  I think Liz is testing Jon, she wants Jon to stand up and be man is the reason she treats him the way she does.  I'm not condoning that what she is doing to Jon is right, because its wrong how she treats him (whether they 'Jon and Liz' are on the show or not) both - Jon and Liz need to change where they are incompatible.


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Friday, February 14, 2014

Couples Therapy: Season 4 - Episode 7 "Crumbs of Love"

Courtesy of VH1
 Kelsey vs. Ghostface vs. Latrice

Ghostface tried to down play Kelsey and his relationship.  He continued to play both Kelsey and Latrice in a private therapy session from episode 6 and got into a completely nasty argument with Kelsey right in front of Latrice (usually what some men do when the other woman is present, they get caught up in their mess - as same with women getting caught up in their messes).  “Couples Therapy” season 4, episode 7: “Crumbs of Love” premiered on VH1.  In this episode, after Kelsey storms out of her therapy session with Ghost and his other woman, Latrice, it is clear she is brokenhearted and completely over her relationship with Ghost.  Latrice leaves, not knowing where her relationship with Ghostface stands. Kelsey is very clear that she wants nothing to do with Ghost, and he knows that he most likely has lost both women forever. I know how Kelsey feel from my own life experience, when players like Ghostface - play on the hearts of two women at the same time.  Ghostface wants to "Have his cake and eat it too" and for Ghost, having two women makes him feel powerful - thinking that they were going to fight over him.  Ghost thought he will get his chance to choose between the two (loose one gain one ) and he lost both ways.  Like Dr. Jenn said, "If  play with fire, you will get burned." The two pieces he cut from his burnt cake just got crumbled completely.  Latrice made the right move by turning away, Ghostface and moving on with her life.  Ghostface admitted to Latrice that he loved sex and he loved women and that he needed to stop messing around and that he knew he screwed himself completely.  Good for Latrice!  Good for Kelsey too!

Dr. Jenn vs. Farrah vs. All Couples

Dr. Jenn brings compatibility experts from an online dating company in for a group exercise. Since Farrah is in therapy alone, Dr. Jenn has her fill out a profile so she can go on a date with someone more compatible with her in the future. After the couples fill out a probing questionnaire, Dr. Jenn reveals that all of the couples (Whitney and Sada, Taylor and John) are compatible in their relationships - except for Ghost and Kelsey and Jon and Liz.  Ghost and Kelsey weren’t surprised, but Jon and Liz are shocked and upset, and threaten to quit Couples Therapy.

Whitney and Sada, John and Taylor vs. Jon and Liz

Here's my opinion of Jon and Liz - I don't think Liz Janetta realizes how much she hurt Jon with her tongue - nor she realizes it.  (I can't say the same for Kate.  She realized how much she was hurting Jon.  "She didn't care!"  The attention and the spotlight was what Kate wanted more than her marriage to Jon).  Liz refuses to 'listen to reason' what anyone says about Jon and her relationship and why they are incompatible in some of the areas of their relationship.  Unlike Jon - he doesn't seem to realize what Liz said to him was wrong and demeaning.  I guess Jon is so caught up in having women like his ex. wife Kate and Liz Janetta, emasculate and belittle him.  Like Taylor's fiance John Bluher said, "Jon need to stand up to Liz." I say, Jon need to stand up and be a man and stop letting women "run over" him and being a douche like everyone claims him to be.  He need to stop playing the 'victim' and the 12th child to Liz and his children.  Looking to shed light on the issue on VH1 - will once again examine the complicated and often misunderstood world of high-profile relationships with season 4 of  Couples Therapy.  "Couples Therapy" season 4 episode 7 was more explosive and dramatic than ever as Dr. Jenn and her staff explore new relationship territory with the series’ first married lesbian couple, and one couple’s relationship is so fragile it breaks just as therapy is getting underway.  Its been a blast to watch "Couples Therapy" season 4.


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Saturday, February 8, 2014

Farrah Abraham: Her Sex Tape Sequel She Claim She Didn't Agree To Release

I don't believe it for a minute!  Farrah Abraham claim she is adamant that she did NOT agree to the second sex tape that's hitting the market next week, and she may be telling the truth for once.

Well, partially. It sounds like Farrah legitimately doesn't want this video to be released, unlike the previous one she tried to pass off as a "leaked" tape.  "I smelled a rat," when Farrah claimed it (sex tape) was leaked on the VH1 show, 'Couples Therapy.' Farrah's lawyer adds that she did not give Vivid permission to release any sequels to her smash hit porno "Farrah Superstar: Backdoor Teen Mom."  Farrah's lawyer says, part two of the Farrah Abraham sex tape, 'Backdoor & More,' is just extra footage from the first she filmed with porn star James Deen.  That's probably all accurate, but I don't think so!  The issue is,  that if it's the same footage, she signed the rights away long ago. She made her (nasty bed). Now she must lay in it.  Its her own fault she lied about everything surrounding her sex tapes.  Her bed deserves to be a very hard fit for the image she has portrait.  But,
according to her lawyer, Farrah is "a mother, a public figure, and an author," and not a porn star ... an empty argument, since she shot the porn last year.  I think Farrah's lawyer need to wake up and smell the doo doo, its piling up as much as high as Farrah's lies.

Steve Hirsch, Vivid's CEO, disagrees, telling TMZ's sister site 'Fishwrapper' that he made Farrah who she is today, whether she wants to admit it or not.

"Before the first video, Farrah, was just some "throw-away" Teen Mom no one cared about. Her (sex tape) made her the celebrity she is today. She’s a great porn star!"  I also agree with Steve Hirsch too!  Despite the fact that she can't talk about it legally on 'Couples Therapy,' we all know she signed a contract and that Hirsch wouldn't act outside of one.  But - saying she didn't give her consent -- when she legally did exactly that -- is just plain lying.  Farrah can cry all she wants on VH1, 'Couples Therapy', she can't have it both ways.  She need to suck it up (no pun intended) and ride it out (no pun intended) until her 15 minutes are up?

Because she is a pathological liar whose story and persona changes almost daily, she has no idea who she even is at this point.  That is how everyone, but (Dr. Jenn) said about Farrah on 'Season 4: Couples Therapy.'  It's sad, but that's the best and most honest way to express the real truth about Farrah.



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Friday, February 7, 2014

Couples Therapy: Season 4 - Episode 6: Is Beyond Scandalous!

Kelsey vs. Ghostface

"Talk about scandalous!"  Who in the devil Ghostface think he is?  "He is a true player, a complete 'heart donor' when it come to women's feelings.  "What the heck!"  Its like...Ghostface 'want to have his cake and eat it too' and he thinks its a joke to play on Kelsey's heart and her emotions.  Its like...he don't hear her crying out when she questions his indiscretion.  He sits around and mopes like its nothing more than a joke to him to damage ssomeone's heart with his bull crap.  How can Ghostface fix his mouth to say, I love you, Kelsey?  "Its pure bull crap - he completely lied to Kelsey and lead her on from day one!"  He need to step up to the plate and be a man and consider Kelsey's feelings.  I remember from the first episode of 'Couples Therapy' when Ghostface said,  "He doesn't need therapy." -- Now I understand why!  If he didn't need therapy, that was his queue to inform Kelsey of his other 'significant' other, before his therapy session with Kelsey started.  And to demand Dr. Jenn to bring the woman he's being seeing on the side - to set of 'Couples Therapy' to meet Kelsey, is beyond disrespect - so that he can decide which one of the two women he can continue his scandalous relationship with or continue to play them both."  Ghostface significant other (Latrice Royale) arrives while Ghost and Kelsey are in a private session with Dr. Jenn.  "I could tell you, all H - E - double sticks broke loose while in session!" Ghostface girlfriend (Latrice) of 'four' years questioned Ghost's infidelity and she asked him how long he had been with Kelsey and if he was in loved with her.  During Ghost's answer to his girlfriend (Latrice) of four years, Kelsey questioned Ghostface about his real feelings for his girlfriend (Latrice) of four years.  She asked, "Are you in love with her?" Ghostface 'tripped' over his words...trying to explain himself to Dr. Jenn, Latrese, and Kelsey.  Sarcastically and dramatically...Ghostface and Kelsey began to argue - very loud like it was no tomorrow.  Dr. Jenn had to abruptly cut in their argument with a 'butter knife' to get them to cease, it was so heated!  Dr. Jenn was very angry with Ghosface for the way he treated Kelsey.  Dr. Jenn retaliated in anger toward Ghostface, "How can you treat her like that?  Talk about disrespect!"  Its like...Kelsey was trying to explain to Ghost - of why he mislead her and why he wasn't straight forward with her from the beginning.  He did not want to listen to Kelsey...he wanted to justify and overlap with his argument of what Kelsey was trying to tell him.  She got tired and she got up - and she walked out of the private session.  Dr. Jenn immediately went after Kelsey to console her.  If I was right there in the same room with Kelsey - face to face with her - I would tell her, "Run Kelsey Run - and don't look back - Ghostface is not worth your tears, your heart, and definitely your time, because, you're too beautiful of a woman inside and out to continue taking Ghostface's crapola.  If I was face to face with Latrice, I would tell her  "Wake up and smell the doo doo piled up in front of you!". She need to run as far as she run away from Ghostface, because, I feel he do not love Latrice...nor Kelsey.  He's playing them both.

Farrah vs. Everyone in Couples Therapy

I can't feel anything for Farrah!  She doesn't display real tears whenever she try to fake her cries in almost every group session.  Farrah is not real about her thoughts or what ever comes out of her mouth.  Its like...why is she there at 'Couples Therapy?' What is her motive? What is the point of her being solo on the set without having someone there with her to work something out?  She can't even tell the truth about her life and the sex tape she claimed she filmed in the comfort of her home (with the camera crew, as Sada mentioned) that she claimed accidently leaked out into the media.  Farrah had a private meeting (without the cameras rolling) with Dr. Jenn about the authenticity of her life and about something that she could not tell everyone - which is the truth - at group therapy.   In group therapy (after her private meeting with Dr. Jenn) Farrah expresses some of her feelings she been withholding from the other couples.  Taylor's fiancé boldly jump right in and attacked Farrah immediately.  He said, "Whenever Farrah does open her mouth and she pukes out her words!"  He did not believe, or trust, or care, or want to hear anything Farrah had to say. Whitney joined in the attack on Farrah - calling her out about being truthful In group therapy.

Ghostface vs. Sada and Whitney

While in group therapy, it seemed that Ghostface treatment of Kelsey, went to the hearts of Sada and Whitney.  Sada wasn't a lost for words. Sada said to Kelsey,  "Its not kisses to roses - you never had him anyway." Then Ghostface retaliated and attacked Sada. "This is what men do." Good as to say, he can do anything he want to women no matter how they feel about him.  "Totally pathetic!"  Whitney retaliated, "This is not what men do, this what you do."

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